Tegan and Sara Quin have been making music together since they were teens in the ‘90s, so it’s no wonder the sisters are slowing down a bit in their 40s.

The prolific indie-rock artists and LGBTQ advocates, both 43, remember entering this new decade during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. That ushered in their 40s “in a strange way that, you know, wasn’t exactly casual,” recalls Sara. In 2022, Tegan and Sara left Warner Bros. Records, their longtime record label, for the indie outfit Mom + Pop. “And then I also became a parent at 42,” she continues. “So far, at least for me, there’s something really significant about how much foundational change has happened.” 

Naturally, these personal and professional shifts prompted Sara to reevaluate her work-life balance. “I think in your 20s and 30s, time is on your side…you’re just kind of excited to be ripping through life and doing what you’re doing,” she explains. “And whereas now with my 40s, I’m like, ‘Let’s slow down.’ I’ve really loved my 40s, but it’s definitely no joke. Like, here we are.”

Tegan isn’t a parent, but she echoes her twin sister’s sentiment. “There’s a lot of searching in the first couple of decades [of your life], a lot of strife and tumult,” she says. “And then you get to your 40s. And as Sara said, you take a breather; you slow down a little bit. My 40s are like, I need to enjoy the fruits of my labor. I need to think more about what my life should be in its second half rather than, like, freaking out through my 20s and 30s.”

Granted, Tegan and Sara have kept plenty busy over the past few years. In 2022, the Grammy-nominated duo debuted Crybaby, their 10th studio album and first with Mom + Pop Music; they toured the album in the latter half of 2023.

Last month, they also released Under My Control, an Audible Originals audio-memoir interspersed with new recordings of classic Tegan and Sara cuts. It’s the latest in a series of autobiographical projects for the Quin sisters, who previously penned a memoir about their high school days. The book, High School, was later adapted into an Amazon Prime Video series.

“We’ve been in a place the last handful of years where we’ve been looking back a lot,” says Tegan. “And I think some artists don’t want to do that because there’s still so much ageism in our business, especially for women.” But she and Sara have had a blast re-releasing older songs and watching them reach new audiences — not unlike Taylor Swift, a fellow music-industry disruptor. (They’re big fans; at the moment, Tegan is on an “Anti-Hero” kick.)

Given Tegan and Sara’s decades-spanning catalog, selecting which songs to re-record was no easy feat. First, they chose the narrative thread for the project, which helped tremendously, says Tegan. Their cornerstone? “Songs or moments in our career that allowed us to shift focus or to change directions, and do things that surprised people.”

And surprise people, they have. When Tegan and Sara began their career in the late ‘90s and early aughts, they were two of the few openly gay artists in their sphere. 

“To be stuck in this genre of indie-rock music, where it was really, really unusual to be talking about yourself being gay, and then to be young women in a predominantly male, straight, cis genre, it was really challenging,” Sara remembers. At times, “it really felt like we were the only people who were pushing back against some of the stereotypes and kinds of discrimination that we were experiencing.” 

She recalls being faced with a “very binary choice”: “Don’t say anything and just ignore it, or take it on. And then it actually becomes part of your identity. You’re the band that has to always be talking about these injustices.” She and Tegan chose the latter — a decision that has helped move the needle in their industry. “I love that we were able to do that and sort of change that narrative,” she adds. “But, you know, it was a pretty big burden.”

Thanks in part to celebrities like Tegan and Sara, our culture at large has also become more accepting of LGBTQ+ people. However, there’s still room for improvement — especially for LGBTQ+ women, who face more socioeconomic disadvantages than their male counterparts. 

Enter the Tegan and Sara Foundation, the Quin sisters’ namesake nonprofit. Founded in 2016, the organization raises awareness and funding for causes benefiting LGBTQ+ women.

“[The foundation] was a huge part of Sarah and I’s second half of our career journey,” Tegan says. “Like, okay, we’re done panicking through the first part of our career, where we’re just trying to make a name for ourselves and establish ourselves. And now we’re into a part of our career where we have the ear of a lot of important people, and we have a platform and a decent-sized audience.”

“Obviously, the LGBTQ+ community is super important to us — not just because we’re members of it, but also because they’ve been such a support to us over our two decades in the biz,” she explains. 

So, rest assured, “slowing down” doesn’t mean Tegan and Sara are out of commission. In some ways, they’re doing more with their platform, and their sprawling catalog, than ever.

Next spring, they also plan to hit the road for an acoustic tour centered on their first album, 2002’s If It Was You. Although the album has been out for more than 20 years, they’ve never played the whole thing live and start-to-finish. “That doesn’t mean that we’re going to stop making new things,” adds Tegan. “But I think it’s been really exciting to revisit some of the stuff from the past because it’s [still] so relevant.”

The show is streaming on Peacock now but, ahead of its release, Moore chatted with us alongside Edgar Ramirez who plays the deceitful and manipulative Dr. Macchiarini.

“It is such a departure,” Moore said of her decision to take on the role of an NBC journalist who was conned into a relationship with the disgraced doctor who knowingly performed experimental transplant surgeries on patients without sufficient scientific evidence resulting in many deaths.

“It was a very intentional move in a different direction to do something that feels totally so different than anything I’ve really ever dipped my toe in before,” Moore continued. “I’m fascinated that people like Paolo exists in the world, and that people like Benita, this very capable, smart, accomplished woman could find herself, you know, in a position vulnerable enough to fall victim and be susceptible to this kind of degree of manipulation.”

And yet, as different as Benita Alexander is from Moore’s This Is Us character Rebecca Pearson, the actress plays both character with depth and heart. The show’s executive producer and writer, Ashley Michel Hoban, told us she was astounded by how Moore tackled the character.

“It’s just such a privilege to watch her bring this character to life in a really nuanced way,” Michel Hoban says. “It’s pivotal because we we meet Paolo through Benita’s point of view. We’re skeptical the same way she is skeptical and, when he wins her over, that’s an important point for the audience to be won over. So [Moore] really delivered with the kind of warmth, intelligence, savviness and trustworthiness that she brings to screen.”

Opposite her, Ramirez expertly plays the charismatic and convincing Macchiarini who deceives colleagues, patients and the medical community into participating his dangerous surgeries. Moore and Ramirez are joined on-screen by Luke Kirby, Ashley Madekwe and Gustaf Hammarsten, Macchiarini’s colleagues who are also swept along in his lies.

The at times difficult to watch medical malpractice narrative is interjected by Macchiarini and Alexander’s love story that plays a key role in the Italian surgeon’s ability to keep his deceptions hidden. Moore says, “Getting to see the duality of, like, he was that person professionally and he was that person personally as well, it’s sort of like true pathological narcissism at play.”

“What makes the the second season so unique and interesting,” Ramirez adds, “is precisely the love story that lives at the core, at the very center of the story.”

Ramirez describes the season as “a deeper exploration of greater subjects of humanity: trust, betrayal, fantasy, the need to believe and the need to retell your story.” The show weaves between all these elements but keeps both the viewer and the characters as captives in Macchiarini’s grip.

“That’s what great manipulators do. They’re very sensitive in identifying your vulnerabilities and just get through those cracks to wherever they need to go,” Ramirez says. Yet, in spite of his iron grip, the fate Macchiarini ends up laying in the capable hands of Moore’s character and his colleagues, and audiences can expect to be surprised by how that fate is reached.

Dr. Death is streaming now on Peacock.

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La La Anthony is all about family during the holidays. “Laughing, dancing, music,” she tells SheKnows. “We always find cool family games to play together.” This Thanksgiving, it was TikTok challenges. “We did the Usher challenge,” the BMF star says. “Everyone was trying to sing like Usher, which was a disaster.” Usher himself did comment on the post, so that was kind of a flex. Sure, it was three crying-laughing emojis, but still…

Not all of us have R&B superstars dropping likes on our IGs, but Anthony’s famous family is like everyone else’s in at least one respect: trying to avoid all the seasonal viruses going around. “Nobody wants to be sick during the holidays,” Anthony says. The TV host says her go-to for symptom relief is Delsym’s 12-hour cough suppressant, a brand she’s partnered with because, as Anthony says, “it’s something we use anyway.”

Comfort meals are also a big part of how she stays healthy, especially her mom’s chicken soup. Anthony is the first to admit she’s no Michelin-starred chef (“If anyone’s talking about something being burnt, it’s probably because they tried to put me in the kitchen…”), but she’s “somehow mastered” this special recipe.

“I grew up in a Hispanic household. Both my parents are from Puerto Rico,” Anthony says. “So there’s a lot of seasonings in there and different things that make it a little bit, let’s say, not the ‘normal’ chicken soup.” Even when she’s not sick, “it’s just something I love during the holidays, because it makes me feel closer to home.” (As part of Anthony’s partnership with Delsym, the brand is giving away the nonperishable soup ingredients to 250 families.)

Anthony also loves working out, although it wasn’t always that way. The turning point came when she realized that after a workout, “I feel better, I feel more accomplished, more energy.” Her favorites are strength training and boxing, but she likes mixing it up. Staying with the same workouts “gets boring, and then you’re not gonna stick to it,” she explains.

Working out and paying attention to her mental health are priorities for Anthony all year round, but especially during the holidays. By exercising four days a week, Anthony says, “I’m making myself a priority.” By keeping tabs on her mental health, she’s reminding herself that “it’s OK to slow down.” She tries to take a quiet moment for herself at the beginning and end of each day, and has also found some quality alone time in an unexpected place.

“When I drive myself to the gym and I come home, I find myself sitting in the car, in the garage, for like 30 minutes by myself,” Anthony says. She realized she’d been subconsciously using that time for herself. “I was just getting that time with no noise around me, nobody calling my name,” she said. “I found that to be time that now I look forward to in the day… just some time for me.”

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“Everyone has the Elf on the Shelf — we have Snoop on the Stoop,” Hall tells SheKnows as we chat with her before her holiday show. “He’s monitoring the behavior in our home.” She reports that just like the notorious elf, Snoop changes locations; this morning, he was found in a mixing bowl. “He’s like the Elf on the Shelf, but Snoopified,” Hall says. “Like we all are. Like the world should be!”

Snoop on the Stoop isn’t the only holiday tradition Hall’s family leans into; in fact, as an interfaith family, there’s a lot to celebrate. Her husband (music executive and film producer Steven Greener) is Jewish, which means double the December festivities.

“It’s a combo,” Hall says. “My son has a menorah, then he’s got Santa Claus … he’s got it all. This kid is an international child being raised in a beautiful interfaith family. So he gets to understand and appreciate it all.”

The hustle and bustle of the holiday season is busy enough for anybody, but when you’re running a hit show averaging its most-watched season in three years, you’ve got to make like the Polar Express and go full steam ahead. Hall and her team have been busy with preparations to make the 2024 season the best one yet.

Hall’s philosophy for the coming year: “More travel, more love, more inspiration, more food, more money.” Sounds like 2024, is “2020-More!” And she’s excited to kick off January with a bang, highlighting her time spent hanging with self-described “certified badass” Miranda Lambert in Las Vegas (where there may or may not have been tequila shots involved).

First, though, she’s got the holidays to get through — both personally and professionally. On the show, Hall is wrapping up her annual “Week of Wishes”, which kicked off on Dec. 11, during which she has the biggest giveaways of the year in appreciation of her fans (lovingly known as the “Tam Fam”). And at home, of course, there’s all the things involved in making Moses’s holidays merry and bright … not least of all, Snoop.

Hall credits her ability to handle it all to the support system around her. If it weren’t for them, she says, “I wouldn’t be here, I wouldn’t be able to do this show, I wouldn’t be able to show up for my son in the way that I hope I do.” But there’s one important area in which she wishes her husband would be more supportive. Watch the video below to find out what that is — plus Hall’s holiday cooking fail, the most shocking moment on her show, and why her “humble-brag of life” involves Queen of Christmas Mariah Carey.

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In our latest installment of Asking for a Friend, we spoke to Flow Advisory Council member Nitika Chopra, a chronic illness advocate and founder of Chronicon, about how to best show up for the loved ones in your life suffering from a chronic illness. Chopra was diagnosed with psoriasis at age 10 and developed psoriatic arthritis roughly a decade later, so speaks from firsthand experience of what it’s like to be on the receiving end.

“Psoriasis is a skin condition, but what a lot of people don’t realize is that while it shows up on the skin — oftentimes as red, flaky patches — it is actually an autoimmune disease,” explains Chopra of the condition. “When you have an autoimmune disease, there are a lot of systemic things happening with your body that go way beyond just the skin.”

Read more below to learn what else Chopra had to say about psoriasis, living with a chronic illness and how both can affect interpersonal relationships.

Is there a cure for psoriasis?

“There is no known cure for psoriasis,” says Chopra. “In my own experience, I have been through ups and downs with my condition and there are times when I haven’t been affected by it and times when I have been more affected by it. But, there’s no medically known cure.”

How does chronic illness affect relationships?

“Honestly, it has been my greatest teacher when it comes to relationships,” she says. “Chronic illness can be intense, heavy, hard, and although I have a lot of other parts of me that are fun and a joy to be around — obviously! — that is not always the case when I am going through something really real. So, relationships, whether it’s romantic or with friends, have been a real challenge because I feel like I have had to be honest and real much faster than a lot of people out there may want to be.”

She adds, “At the same time, I think that has become my superpower, and it’s something I love about myself because it helps me filter people out really fast. But growing up, it was a mess. I did not always feel that way, and it took a while for me to get my footing around that part of my life.”

What are ways to practice self-love while living with psoriasis?

“The first thing that comes to mind is having a relationship with your body that starts with kindness and grace and care,” she says. “I know you’re having this experience that may feel medical, which for me it did for a long time with all of the treatments and things I was trying, but it’s not really about that — that’s just one aspect of it. You are a living, breathing thing. So, to be able to go from all that stuff to actually just getting to the center of who you are, nurturing things that you like to do whether it’s listening to audiobooks or going to brunch with friends…really getting to know yourself outside of your condition is probably the most loving thing you can do.”

What can friends do when you have a chronic illness?

“I love this question and wish more people asked it when I was first dealing with my health. First ask, ‘Is there anything you need?’ A lot of times, there’s not a lot of things people can do when I’m going through a flare, but just knowing that this person really wants to be there is really helpful,” she notes. She adds that you can also make a running list of the things your friend enjoys, whether that’s a certain type of food or their favorite movie to watch. “Then when they’re going through a flare up or hard time with their health, you can suggest doing some of those things and take that labor off their plate,” says Chopra. “Just being there really makes a difference.”

“We put together my advanced directives and my will, knowing that the worst-case scenario was likely to happen,” she said. Unfortunately, they did face the worst-case. Upon check-in at the hospital, they learned she was 4-6 cm dilated, but the baby was only 26 weeks and his lungs had not yet developed. The doctor told her that best case, she could stay pregnant for at least 48 more hours so that she could receive steroid injections to help with her baby’s lung development. To see how the rest of Tianna’s birth story unfolded, watch the video above.

This is an informational article that does not reflect medical advice. Medical treatment plans should be discussed with a qualified healthcare provider and can vary significantly based on individual patient needs and medical history. 

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Former Olympic gymnast Shannon Miller’s journey to being diagnosed with ovarian cancer in 2011 started with a doctor’s appointment she nearly missed. “I admit I almost canceled, but I thought better of it,” she says. “During that appointment, my doctor found a baseball-sized cyst on my left ovary.”

Miller, who is now 46 and tied with Simone Biles as the most decorated American Olympic gymnast in history, underwent a series of tests and scans. In January 2011, she was diagnosed with a rare form of ovarian cancer. “My world stopped,” Miller says. “They had caught it early, and the prognosis was good, but I would need to go through this pretty aggressive chemotherapy regimen.” 

At the time, Miller’s son had just turned a year old and she had recently launched a company that was devoted to women’s health and wellness. “I had no idea what my future would hold — if I had a future,” she said. “I didn’t know if my son was going to have a mother. So, it’s very real conversations that you have with yourself.” 

Miller says she tried to stay positive and focus on the treatment steps that were laid out for her, which included surgery, followed by chemotherapy about a month later. “At that point, I kind of reverted back to that competitive mindset I knew so well through sport — those life lessons of goal-setting and teamwork, positive mindset resiliency,” she says. “I could kind of shift that mentality to fight mode. ‘OK, I’m going to give it all I have, I’m going to get through chemotherapy.’”

But Miller says she wasn’t aware at the time how challenging chemotherapy would be. “It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do,” she says. 

However, she learned to focus on things that she could control. That included setting goals for herself with hydration, getting enough protein in her diet, and focusing on her mental health. “I was really focused on giving myself these pep talks and really getting into that headspace that I was going to get through treatment without stopping and without having any breaks,” she says. 

Chemotherapy was a huge challenge for Miller, who says she struggled with gastrointestinal issues, nausea, and fatigue. “At the end of the first week of chemo, I landed back in the hospital because I couldn’t keep down food. I couldn’t keep down water,” she says. “If I didn’t get a handle on it, I wasn’t going to be able to stay on track with my treatments.” 

Miller says she heard from cancer survivors during that time on how to stay healthy, including doing yoga to help with nausea and fatigue, getting outside and in the fresh air as much as possible. Miller ended up having chemotherapy five days in the first week, followed by treatments once a week. She ultimately underwent three rounds of treatment over nine weeks. 

Miller has now been cancer-free for 12 years, a status she says she’s “excited” about. She’s partnered with Enterade to promote the company’s Advanced Oncology Beverage, which is designed to help with the gastrointestinal symptoms she experienced. “Now there are more opportunities to alleviate some of those symptoms by things that weren’t available at the time,” she says. “I’m thrilled to be a part of talking about supportive care and those things that we can do to conquer some of those GI issues, the things that we don’t really want to talk about when we’re battling cancer.”

Miller is no longer tumbling, but the mom of two does commentary and broadcasting for Olympic gymnastics coverage every four years. “It is so much fun to watch these athletes go out there — you know how hard they’ve worked,” she says. 

When it comes to ovarian cancer and managing symptoms and treatment, Miller wants patients to remember that they’re not alone. She also stresses the importance of speaking up about symptoms during treatment. “I didn’t want to complain. I didn’t want to burden anyone else. And I was trying to do this on my own, which clearly we cannot,” she says. “Please reach out to your medical team. If you’re not feeling well let them know, because there are things that can help.” 

Not only can your doctor help you to feel better, getting symptom relief can help you stay on your treatment course, she says. “When we feel better, we can fight cancer harder,” Miller says. “Just know that you’re not alone.”

Danza, who recently guest-starred on And Just Like That, reveals he loves that this role has come to him at this stage of his career. “The quality of the acting, the quality of the writing, the directing…. It’s really a quality show, it’s just pleasure to be on it, an honor, really, a little bit of a late in career gift actually.”

Danza’s character goes to head-to-head with Miller’s Raquel this season, and he can’t hide his adoration for Miller. In fact, he gets so excited to tell a story about her that he knocks his computer off his desk. From Broadway to Kanan, Danza says he can’t get enough of watching Miller. As for which of their strong characters he thinks would survive on an island, he diplomatically says their characters would work together to survive. He then reveals, “I thought I was getting whacked last season! Because they moved my episode to the last show of the season, and I thought, ‘Uh oh, I’m getting whacked.’ Then what happened was I actually got to hit on Raq! I take a shot at her.” For Raquel and Stefano, it could be “hit on” or a “take a hit out on,” anything can happen in Kanan’s world. But for Danza and Stefano when it comes to Raquel and Miller, “I gotta crush, what can I tell you.”

For Tony Danza, one boss is not enough. So many bosses, so little time. And no matter which one he’s playing, we’re going to be watching. Check out the video to find out which boss Danza enjoys playing the most, and why he loves working with Miller.

Raising Kanan is streaming now on Starz on Fridays at 8pm EST.

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Watch the recap of SK Conversations: Parents’ Playbook for Pediatric Pain Management where our panel of medical experts shared how to navigate your child’s recovery plan. We explored today’s leading non-opioid pain management options and how to prioritize your child’s safety while effectively managing pain. You will walk away with invaluable advice on how to be your child’s best advocate.

The Experts

Dr. Stone and Dr. Sethi are consultants of Pacira BioSciences, Inc.

Dr. Mona Stone

Dr. Mona Stone is not only an esteemed oral and maxillofacial surgeon practicing full-scope surgery, but she is also a public speaker, activist, philanthropist, and the co-founder of the grassroots organization Real Heroes Need Masks.

After receiving her dental degree from the University of Missouri-Kansas City, she went on to do a year of internship at Truman Medical Center and then a residency in Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery at Broward General Medical Center.

Dr. Stone practices the full scope of the specialty, including maxillofacial pathology, dentoalveolar surgery, implant surgery, maxillofacial reconstruction, microvascular surgery, facial cosmetic surgery, and trauma surgery. She is also an attending surgeon at Baylor Medical Center Grapevine, Irving, and at Methodist Hospital.

Dr. Paul Sethi

Dr. Paul Sethi is a board-certified orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine conditions of the elbow, knee, and shoulder. He is a leading research physician who speaks at academic and instructional medical conferences in the U.S. and abroad. His research on surgical advances in his specialty is regularly published in leading medical journals, including the Journal for Shoulder and Elbow Surgery, Arthroscopy, and the Journal of the American Academy for Orthopedic Surgery.

He also collaborates with outside companies for education and research purposes and to develop medical procedures on the shoulder, elbow, and knee. Dr. Sethi is a member of the prestigious American Shoulder and Elbow Society and the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons. He also serves as President of the ONS Foundation for Clinical Research and Education (ONSF).

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Indication

EXPAREL^® (bupivacaine liposome injectable suspension) is indicated for single-dose infiltration in patients aged 6 years and older to produce postsurgical local analgesia and in adults as an interscalene brachial plexus nerve block to produce postsurgical regional analgesia. Safety and efficacy have not been established in other nerve blocks.

Important Safety Information

EXPAREL should not be used in obstetrical paracervical block anesthesia.

In studies in adults where EXPAREL was injected into a wound, the most common side effects were nausea, constipation, and vomiting.

In studies in adults where EXPAREL was injected near a nerve, the most common side effects were nausea, fever, and constipation.

In the study where EXPAREL was given to children, the most common side effects were nausea, vomiting, constipation, low blood pressure, low number of red blood cells, muscle twitching, blurred vision, itching, and rapid heartbeat.

EXPAREL can cause a temporary loss of feeling and/or loss of muscle movement. How much and how long the loss of feeling and/or muscle movement depends on where and how much of EXPAREL was injected and may last for up to 5 days.

EXPAREL is not recommended to be used in patients younger than 6 years old for injection into the wound, for patients younger than 18 years old for injection near a nerve, and/or in pregnant women.

Tell your healthcare provider if you or your child has liver disease, since this may affect how the active ingredient (bupivacaine) in EXPAREL is eliminated from the body.

EXPAREL should not be injected into the spine, joints, or veins.

The active ingredient in EXPAREL can affect the nervous system and the cardiovascular system; may cause an allergic reaction; may cause damage if injected into the joints; and can cause a rare blood disorder.

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Loberti and Hofmann sat down exclusively with SheKnows to discuss their important limited series and reveal what they learned from working with Mark Ruffalo. Loberti also lets us in on a surprising casting tidbit. Mark Ruffalo was actually cast by a very important person in her life, before Loberti knew he was cast!

“We’re going through so much right now… there’s so much darkness, I think it’s important for us all to take a moment to remember that within so much darkness, there’s still space to find the light and that’s what the show is all about,” Loberti says. Hofmann says in order to prepare to play a character that history does not look upon fondly, he focused on the human elements, and also did a lot of research on radios. “I actually learned how to build a radio! That had me unconsciously connecting with my character without having to intellectualize too much, because I can sort of get into my head too much.” Loberti laughs in agreement.

One of the highlights of this project, especially for Loberti in her acting debut, was working with Mark Ruffalo. “He’s just a remarkable person, he’s everything you want him to be, he’s just very kind and generous and funny, and very sweet.” She reveals the two hung out in New York prior to filming to connect and bond. “Then when I got set, I learned so much from him in terms of craft, and finding truth in these scenes.” She reveals that Ruffalo would tell her little stories from his characters’ perspective in between takes. She says, “It would help ease my anxiety, and it would help him build the character.”

The casting of Ruffalo as her on-screen father seems perfect when you see them together. Loberti reveals that her mother actually cast Ruffalo first. “Fun fact, my mom called this before we knew that he got cast.” When Loberti learned she got the role, she was overwhelmed with emotion and couldn’t speak. “Shawn (Levy) had to call my parents and tell them I got the part, because I was physically incapable. When I could talk, my mom goes, ‘You know who should play your father, if it’s not going to be your actual father, I think Mark Ruffalo should play your father.’” Well, turns out Loberti’s mother may have a casting career in her future. When Loberti spoke to the casting director, she mentioned her mother’s idea and asked if he was even a possibility, and was met with stunned silence on the phone. Turns out Ruffalo was already cast as her father. “I think maybe if (my mother) wanted to switch careers, she’d be okay!” Loberti laughs. Watch the exclusive video above.

All the Light You Cannot See is streaming now on Netflix. And check out what executive producer and director Shawn Levy had to say about how the adaptation differs from the book in his exclusive interview.

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